You're going to need something on the order of the fall of the Soviet Union...which was driven by an economic collapse. The WTS has too much in assets to coast on for a long while before any economic pain would occur, and while income is not climbing, it's not plummeting either.
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Reform or Retire?
by core indo we change our attitude when we get out?
caspian indicated (when he was an active elder over a year ago) how he was working with other like minded elders from within to achieve reform - but like many of us he is now "out" or fading - many others of us thought that change for good could be achieved - have we all moved from that position if we are out - have we given up trying - have we stopped contact with those we though agreed with us - is it easier to just move on?
caspian - do you think that the others you were involved with are still trying to make changes - did you achieve much when you were actively trying to promote decent standards ?
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Holy S***!!! My boss at my new job is a JW!
by Elsewhere ini just found out that my boss at my new job is a jw!!!
earlier today i walked into his office to ask him a quick question?
the nwt and wt on his desk.
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Phantom Stranger
When in doubt, tell the truth - but there is no doubt here - LIE! Make up a backstory quick, dude! You gotta give him room to have no expectations of you...you were raised by wolves, or something :)
Seriously, good luck on that one...
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Life Expectancy Record
by metatron inlife expectancy just hit a new record.
obviously, this is just more evidence that the world is getting "worse and worse".
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/031020/funds_1.html.
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Phantom Stranger
Yeah, this along with the continued decreases in violent crime and things just suck.
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Reform or Retire?
by core indo we change our attitude when we get out?
caspian indicated (when he was an active elder over a year ago) how he was working with other like minded elders from within to achieve reform - but like many of us he is now "out" or fading - many others of us thought that change for good could be achieved - have we all moved from that position if we are out - have we given up trying - have we stopped contact with those we though agreed with us - is it easier to just move on?
caspian - do you think that the others you were involved with are still trying to make changes - did you achieve much when you were actively trying to promote decent standards ?
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Phantom Stranger
I am reminded of the old saw about trying to teach pigs to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
If a GB member (R. F.) couldn't effect lasting change, whose ideas were less radical than most of the reforms I've seen posted here, what hope do elders have?
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What is happenning in France?
by AlanB in.
just wondered if anyone knows what is happenning in france.
my parents told me something about the french printing presses being moved to london for some reason.. any ideas?
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Phantom Stranger
Tax 'em all.
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The Growing Critical Study of Jehovah's Witnesses.
by Blueblades in.
almost from the beginning,the bible student--jehovah's witness movement has had its severe critics.in the past criticism was ordinarily directed at its doctrinal,civic or blood transfusion issues.
some dissidents who broke with the society also censured the wt.authority struture and inconsistencies in wt.theology.a few attempted to take their concern to the general public.. beginning in about 1980 all of that changed.in the past little harm came to the society from their critics.however devastating criticism has been unleashed against the society,especially since 1980. this devastating criticism has been leveled at the heart of the society's history of ever-changing date setting speculation,shifting and changing doctrine,and the concealment-of-errors strategies has been exposed by recourse to wt.literature itself.. the wt.officials have no recourse ( because they are unable to respond adequately ) but, to declare all dissidents as apostates and forbid the reading of all anti-witness materials.including on the internet.which includes this forum maintained by simon and all who have an in-put here-in.. good work everyone and welcome to the team of the ever growing critical study of jehovah's witnesses.. blueblades.
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Phantom Stranger
They started avoiding DF'ing when it had possible legal complications of bad PR value back when Michael Jackson was selling Thriller.
There are two reasons to reject the WTS:
1) Because you don't beleive their doctrine.
2) Because you don't like what they want you to do (in spite of your belief in their doctrine).
Those who fall into camp #2...my personal advice: After 17 years out of the WTS, I feel that if you need to find a kind, supportive place for your beliefs in Christianity to happen, there are churches out there that will work just fine for you. If required field service, 5 meetings a week, and the like are turning you off, shop around - there are a good number of existing Christian churches who will do just fine for you, without you breaking your hearts waiting for the WTS to pull its governing head out of its governing ass.
Those of us in group #1 will be over here eating and drinking... because none of us knows how long we have :)
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Low Meeting Attendance Means Wrongdoing!
by Englishman indid anyone ever come across the idea that meeting attendances were an indication of how much spirit jehovah was giving or witholding from the congregation?.
..and that this was directly related to whether or not there was any secret wrondoing within the congregation that was "blocking the spirit" and thereby restricting the "increase"?.
just a couple of instances:.
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Phantom Stranger
Apparently conventions in Englad ARE the place to pick up girls, as opposed to the conventions I attended in the states...:)
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Sticks and stones -- break your bones; but words CAN REALLY hurt you
by Gopher innews from an australian study.
good things to remember when it's tempting to insult an individual rather than deal with issues.. http://www.startribune.com/stories/389/4158295.htmlhurt feelings really do hurt physically.
michael woods, block news alliancepublished october 19, 2003. the old nursery rhyme was wrong.
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Phantom Stranger
Jeez...make me work! :)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/60126/1.ashx
(must...find...last...post...:)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/60350/1.ashx
(ahhhh:)
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What's happened to the preaching work?
by Dark Knight insomething happened the other night that got me thinking.
i met a christian in one of the local malls and he did the usual preaching about jesus routine, trying to convince me that i am a sinner and how i need jesus and all that jazz.
he wasn't a jw, but rather he was from one of the local revivalist churches.. now what i'm thinking is that i've been out of the org for almost three years now.
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Phantom Stranger
Took TEN YEARS for them to knock on my door, and that was after moving within 5 blocks of a KH :)
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Phantom Stranger
I think there is some cross-pollination here between "forgiveness", which has been defined, and acting as if atrocities are "nothing" - which does not seem to be a common interpretation of the word "forgive" - even if some of us have seen the word misused in this way.
Let's all stipulate that ignoring tragedies and crimes is wrong, sick, and despicable... I respect what you're saying, and at the same time I don't think there is a contradiction with what I'm saying. I am confident that none of us would consider that "forgiving" is "making light".
Thanks for the clarification,
PS